A Lesson in Poetry

A Lesson in Poetry

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A Lesson in Poetry

Nirodbaran writes:

“This talk took place before the others had come up, when he was all alone with Sri Aurobindo. He read out some of Tagore’s last poems, which were supposed to express spiritual experiences.” [12 December 1938]

NIRODBARAN: Is there anything here?

SRI AUROBINDO (smiling): Nothing much, except that he speaks of some light in the first poem.

NIRODBARAN: In the rest he speaks of losing the body-consciousness and of the world-memory getting fainter and fainter.

SRI AUROBINDO: Yes, but that means death.

NIRODBARAN: Doesn’t it mean that he is getting into another world? He speaks of stars, etc.

SRI AUROBINDO: Well, if he was getting into another world, why on earth doesn’t he say so? The poem is hazy. The Vaishnava poets have clearly stated their experiences.

NIRODBARAN: Dilip told me that once Tagore in an agony of pain tried hard to concentrate and ultimately he separated himself from his pain and got relief. Isn’t that a spiritual experience?

SRI AUROBINDO: Yes, that is a spiritual experience.

NIRODBARAN: I remember also to have read in his autobiography, Jivan Smriti, that one day he felt a sudden outburst of joy and all Nature seemed to be full of Ananda. The outcome of that feeling or experience of bliss is supposed to be the poem “Nirjharer Swapna Bhanga” (“Interruption of the Dream of the Fountain”).

SRI AUROBINDO: Yes, that too is a spiritual experience. What does he say in the poem?

NIRODBARAN: He speaks of a fountain breaking all barriers and rushing towards the sea in Ananda.

SRI AUROBINDO: But why does he take that symbol? Was it in that symbolic form that the experience came?

NIRODBARAN: I don’t think so.

SRI AUROBINDO: Then why doesn’t he write the experience as he got it? Nobody reading the poem will realise that he wrote it from some experience. He has a tendency to be decorative, and the danger of decorativeness is that the main thing gets suppressed by it.

Take, as an opposite example, that line about Usha, the Mystic Dawn, from the Rig Veda, which I have quoted in The Future Poetry:

Vyucchanti jivam udirayanti usa mritam kancana bodhayanti.
Raising high the living, awakening someone dead.

When one reads it, one feels at once that it is written out of experience. It tells us directly of the Dawn-Goddess that she is raising higher and higher whatever is manifested and brings out all that has remained latent, unmanifested. Of course, one has to be familiar with the symbols; then the thing becomes quite clear.

NIRODBARAN: But mystic poetry is bound to be a little hazy and vague, at least to those who are not mystically minded. Tagore also has written simple and clear poems in his Gitanjali: for example, “Amar matha nata kare dao” (“Let my head bow down”). Perhaps one can write poetry of that kind mentally too. Is personal experience always necessary?

SRI AUROBINDO: No. One need not have personal experience for such poetry.

NIRODBARAN: You once compared mystic poetry to moon light and spiritual poetry to sunlight.

SRI AUROBINDO: No, I meant occult poetry to be like moonlight. There are two kinds of mystic poetry: occult-mystic and spiritual-mystic. That poem of mine, “Trance”, with its moon and star, or my “Bird of Fire” is occult-mystic, while the sonnets are spiritual-mystic. For instance in the sonnet “Nirvana”, I have put exactly what Nirvana is. One is at liberty to use any symbol or image, but what one says must be very clear through the symbol or the image. Say, for example, those lines from the Rig Veda:

Condition after condition is born,
Covering after covering becomes conscious;
In the lap of the Mother he sees.

Here images are used but it is very clear to anyone knowing the symbols what is meant and that it is a result of genuine experience or take another example:

The Seers climb Indra like a ladder,
Along with the ascent all that remains to be done becomes clear.

It is an extraordinary passage, expressing perfectly the experience. Do you see that? Indra is the Divine Mind and, as one ascends higher and higher, whatever has still to be done grows visible and distinct. One who has had that experience can testify how perfectly true it is and that it must have been written from experience, not from any power of imagination.

NIRODBARAN: But sometimes cannot one write truly about spiritual things without experiencing them or being conscious of them?

SRI AUROBINDO: Why not? The inner being can have the vision and express it, without the outer having the least awareness of it.

NIRODBARAN: Can one who is not a mystic write mystic poems? Tagore — or Harin before he came here?

SRI AUROBINDO: Tagore had a tradition of religious tendencies in his family. Harin had a mystic part in him. Unfortunately, he had many other parts also. Reading his earlier poems I predicted that he could be a spiritual poet. As soon as he came here, he went on very well in the first year of his sadhana; his inner mind opened and the things he wrote about the Mother were felt by him. His poetry was always associated with his higher parts.

Nirodbaran: Talks with Sri Aurobindo

8 responses to “A Lesson in Poetry”

  1. A dream of the fountain – The Winds of Wonder Avatar
    A dream of the fountain – The Winds of Wonder

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  2. deermaximume056188421 Avatar
    deermaximume056188421

    Dear Deshpande,

    Thank you for the quotation. I entirely red (twice) Nirod’s Talks with
    Sri Aurobindo long ago…and Purani’s Evening Talks as well.

     It is always nice to read again.

    I just came yesterday from an ear surgery, from Chennai…

    I just take some rest.

    Marc

    Le 31/08/2024 à 06:10, The Winds of Wonder a écrit :

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    1. RY Deshpande Avatar
      RY Deshpande

      Sorry to know about your ear surgery. I take that everything is alright now, even as the ear has to get ready to hear unheard sounds, sounds of gold and orange silence. My best.

      I thought that this spontaneous and perceptive appraisal of poetry of the Nobel Laureate is a rare piece which needs to be studied with deeper understanding. I hope it will happen.

      et merci

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  3. supriyafdce46d60a8ae Avatar
    supriyafdce46d60a8ae

    This conversation between Nirodbaran and Sri Aurobindo is very interesting. Sri Aurobindo is saying firmly that any poetry based on spiritual experience should be spelled out as is without being decorative about it. Nirodbaran was talking about the poetry from Tagore. Now I feel that Tagore being poet was bound to speak in poetic language. Sri Aurobindo being a seer, was bound to take that stand about being clear about the spiritual vision. And of course, honesty brings forth authenticity. That is why these conversations of the great ones become worth reading.

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    1. RY Deshpande Avatar
      RY Deshpande

      A seer’s poetry and a poet’s poetry will of course be different. But what is important is the original creative poetic urge and enthusiasm and the way the expression comes out. This is a vast subject, but let me just quote a letter of Sri Aurobindo written to a poet-disciple, dated 16 November 1933:

      There are truths and there are transcriptions of truths; the transcriptions may be accurate or may be free and imaginative. The truth behind a poetic creation is there on some plane or other, supraphysical generally—and from there the suggestion of the image too originally comes; even the whole transcription itself can be contributed from there, but ordinarily it is the mind’s faculty of imagination which gives it form and body. Poetic imagination is very usually satisfied with beauty of idea and image only and the aesthetic pleasure of it, but there is something behind it which supplies the Truth in its images, and to get the transcription also direct from that something or somewhere behind should be the aim of mystic or spiritual poetry. When Shelley made the spirits of Nature speak, he was using his imagination, but there was something behind in him which felt and knew and believed in the truth of the thing he was expressing—he felt that there were forms more real than living man behind the veil. But his method of presentation was intellectual and imaginative, so one misses the full life in these impalpable figures. To get a more intimate and spiritually concrete presentation should be the aim of the mystic poet.

      https://incarnateword.in/cwsa/27/the-aim-of-the-mystic-poet

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    2. RY Deshpande Avatar
      RY Deshpande

      The other day Prithwi Singh said that Tagore has said your Life Heavens was not poetry proper.

      I am very much intrigued by Tagore’s dictum. I am always ready to admit and profit by criticism of my poetry however adverse, if it is justified—but I should like to understand it first. Why is it not poetry proper? Is it because it is not good poetry—the images, language are unpoetic or not sufficiently poetic, the rhythm harsh or flat? Or is it because it is too intellectual, dealing in ideas more than in vision and feelings? Or is it that the spiritual genre is illegitimate—spiritual subjects not proper for poetic treatment? But in that case much of Tagore’s poetry would be improper, not to speak of much of Donne (now considered a great poet), Vaughan, Crashaw etc., Francis Thompson and I do not know how many others in all climes and ages. Is it the dealing with other worlds that makes it not proper? But what then about Blake, whose work Housman declares to be the essence of poetry? I am at sea about this “poetry proper”. Did he only use this cryptic expression? Was there nothing elucidatory said which would make it intelligible? Or has Tagore by any chance thought that I was trying to convey a moral lesson or a philosophical tenet—there is nothing of the kind there, it is a frequent experience on the spiritual path that is being described in its own proper, one might almost say, objective figures—and that is surely a method of poetry proper. Or is it that the expression is too bad or clear-cut for the soft rondures of poetry proper. I swim helplessly in conjectures. 1934

      https://incarnateword.in/cwsa/27/tagore-and-the-life-heavens

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    3. RY Deshpande Avatar
      RY Deshpande

      If a man rises to a higher plane of consciousness, it does not necessarily follow that he will be a greater man of action or a greater creator. One may rise to spiritual planes of inspiration undreamed of by Shakespeare and yet not be as great a poetic creator as Shakespeare.

      https://incarnateword.in/cwsa/28/human-greatness

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  4. claudechamberland Avatar
    claudechamberland

    Merci, très cher Deshpande, de rendre disponible de façon condensée des sujets aussi intéressants. Quiconque apprécie la poésie ne peut qu’en ressortir grandi.

    Claude Chamberland

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