Where is the separateness?
The Mother’s conversation dated 23 November 1968
I’ve had an interesting experience. Someone told me, “I am fully in the physical consciousness: no more meditations, and the Divine has become something up above, so far away… .”
Then, instantly, the whole room FILLED with the divine Presence. “Oh,” I told him, “Not up above: HERE, right here.” And at that moment, EVERYTHING, the whole atmosphere … the very air seemed to change into divine Presence: everything was touched, touched, permeated, there was a dazzling Light, a Peace like this (massive), a Power, and also such Sweetness … something … you felt it would be enough to melt a rock.
And it hasn’t left. It has remained. It came like that, and has remained.
Even now the two things are there: a little of the ordinary consciousness, as if mechanically. And it’s the BODY’S experience, physical, material: absolutely everything is full, there’s NOTHING but That. You get the impression that things have become hard, dry, and that’s why they don’t feel.
That’s why they don’t feel Him, otherwise everything is NOTHING but That; you can’t breathe without breathing Him; you move about, and it’s within Him that you move about; everything, the whole universe is within Him — but MATERIALLY, physically.
It’s the cure of the “drying up” that I am now seeking.
And then, I told Him, “But then, why do people always climb up above?” And with the most extraordinary, fantastic humour: “Because they want me to be very far from their consciousness!” “Why do they go so far away to seek what’s …”
Because the moment it was formulated in an elegant way that imposed itself and had a force, IT WOULD BE OVER. You get the impression that He is everywhere, but everywhere, and there’s nothing else. And we aren’t aware of it because we are … shrivelled up, dried up. We’ve made tremendous efforts to separate ourselves … Perhaps the experience came because, for several days, there had been a very great concentration to find the FACT, the fact of separateness… .
Then the experience came, and it hasn’t moved. It’s there right now. So the body is trying to be fluid, it’s trying to melt; it’s trying, it understands what it is. It’s trying … The immensity isn’t only outside: it’s within. It’s within.
And if you stay long enough in the true consciousness, the appearance, what we call the physical “fact” itself, disappears, not just the pain. I have the feeling of having touched the central experience. But it’s a very small beginning.
One would have the impression or certitude of having touched the supreme Secret only if the physical were transformed.
It would happen if the play — the play of separateness — came to an end. That would be the solution of the transformation. A phenomenon of consciousness.
But this notion of the “descending” Supermind, of a “permeating” Consciousness, is OUR translation. The experience came as the experience of an eternal fact. It’s movements of consciousness. Why, how?… I don’t know.
But it gives the impression that something has “taken place”. This body is just the same as all the rest of the earth, but it happens to have become conscious in the other way; well, that normally should be expressed as a “coming,” a “descent,” a “beginning”. But is it a beginning? What has “come”? …
There’s NOTHING but the Lord, not anything else — nothing else exists. Everything takes place within Him, consciously. And we are … like grains of sand in this Infinity; only, we are the Lord with the capacity of being conscious of the Lord’s consciousness. That’s exactly it.
The Winds of Wonder 
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